Well, I think then that helped me. I mean, working in a zoo, I saw, you know, you saw the animals, you saw good and the bad. So, you know, if the space was too small or they were keeping animals behind the scenes for no reason, you know, that kind of was kind of silly. So, so I, I did, and I guess I formed some ideas about how you could make exhibits better and, and that kind of thing. So in 1976 you go and move to the San Francisco Zoo to take a full-time job.
