Yeah, well they’ve both been important and Jane at sometimes was a little critical of zoos, but she’s been a zoos have really supported over a lot of her work. You know, Jack Hannah was, whether you liked them or not, or thought, I thought he was a little silly at times on some of his statements, but Jack was America’s zookeeper and everybody liked him and he was on all the talk shows and that kind of thing. So Jack was very important and yeah, I, I think it helps to have somebody, I think Jim Bini was the best and is the best when his sous show on the national, on the, on the TV was a great, is a great show. And now we have Peter Gross and his assistant there. I knew Peter when I was in San Francisco. They’re doing a zoo show. I think that they could be good ambassadors. I think Ron McGill in Miami is good sometimes and particularly good in the Spanish speaking press.
