And then we just kept growing. So creating this quote conservation department, which was really involved in field conservation, although they do obviously in-house projects too, was great. So it was really building up the staff and, and really supporting the education and education program. When I got there, was run not by any professionals and we hired several education curators. The one that’s been there the longest who just retired. Vicky, Vicki Searls. She’s done a great job. I thought we had one of the best education programs in the United States and it was good. When I got there, we had no marketing department of our own.
