Always got along, all friend, all friendly people. We got along together and again, we traveled to different zoos together because I think it was important to commissioners. And now the Zoo society course, they go on a private plane to, to different zoos. They came to Lincoln Park last year and, you know, talked to people there and just to see the difference between you. So I think it’s important that the, that governing, whether they’re the nonprofit board of the city board, are somewhat educated about the zoos. Obviously even with accreditation, they shouldn’t be making animal decisions or animal welfare decisions, but they should be aware of them, that’s for sure. So education and communication is, is a big thing. Now, when I was in Sacramento, again, I reported to a park and recreation director and, and then he reported to the city council.
