Well, as an animal keeper, I was a relief keeper. And so I, I, I kind of learned as I went around and as I might have mentioned earlier, and maybe not, but Warren Thomas, when he became director, created this position of curator trainee and for six months. And Bob Barnes, who had been there quite a long time at the zoo, he got the first one. But I was able to get the second position and that was really good ’cause it gave me some background in curatorial work. And, and he gave me a lot of responsibilities. You know, one day he just said to me, we have all these Arabian Steven, they’re valuable.
