And so there was, there was a very, very variety of keepers, curators were very open to, to talk to us. And you know, I knew I wanted to move up. I always, you know, I knew that I’d like to move up, but I was from California and I was from Southern California. So by that time I had had a son. I was divorced by that time, but I had a son, so I needed to stay sort of in the area. But I really did wanna move up. And I studied at Long Beach State and I tried to work in all kinds of areas at the zoo, you know. And so if there was a job in the reptile curator Toledo, I could say, well, I’m a, I’ve worked in the reptile house at Los Angeles, or if it was a other type of management job, I said, oh, I’ve done that before.
