He says, I don’t know what you call it, I just know what it eats. It was a pack, Rana. I mean there was a kind of a rare road in from others. So that’s kind of the level of some, and, but there were also some really smart, there’s again, there wasn’t a lot of co college graduates since Bob Barnes. And a few of us had degrees, but some of ’em really knew how to care for animals. There was a guy named Jack Badal that ended up having his own gorilla Raymar. And Jack was extraordinarily good animal keeper. I mean, thank God I never made any mistakes around him because he kept his place just immaculate and that kind of thing.