When I started, you needed to be an animal guy. You know, you needed to be an animal professional because the complexities of animal collections, and they, they haven’t lost their complexity, but how zoos, especially the zoo, Lincoln Children’s Zoo is a completely private zoo receiving no tax dollars, had to become a business person. Okay. I mean, had to build the zoo’s reputation, had to understand branding, okay, I’m an animal guy, but I gotta understand the brand. And so I, I think the skills you need to be, you need to have a little of, a bit of politician. You need to be a great manager and listener of people. You need to convey the zoo’s mission. And you need to have great trust. And they need to have great trust, you know, in the zoo.
