’cause you gotta remember, I don’t know what the, the typical tenure is anymore for a zoo director. In the old days, it was like me, I had 30, well, I think we had 36 or 7 37 years. ’cause some of those were his president emeritus. You know, you put in a lifetime at a zoo. I mean it old silverbacks. We were there forever. But I think turnover is happening more and more in, in, in zoo director positions.
