And we had herpetology, well, people showed up ’cause they thought it was herbology herbology. It was about plants and herbs. No, it’s about reptiles. And so it was a small cadre of geeks. Okay. And John, who formed that group, I still keep in contact with him. He’s a retired pre professional, I believe, of psychology. Okay. And he lives in Tucson. And he still has some tortoises and snakes. And he would go out every now and then in Tucson and move the rattlesnakes off the road and things like that. Yeah.
