And we were able to go, and Dr. Adler, who I think just passed away not too long ago, welcomed us into, into his facility and gave us a tour and visited with us numerous times. So we had questions, but we would go see Dr. Adler at the University of Notre Dame and the herpetology department and learn more. And he’d give us lessons and things like that informally, of course. And that group of, we just kind of kept growing that group of, we all went to high school together and we were all geeks. It was a simple, you know, the, some, the, the little, the the little class. That was one week they did these things called mini courses and students could teach the mini courses in place of a class or whatever.
