Oddly, yes. Okay. And it all goes back to my freshman year in high school, I guess turtles were easy to acquire and I was very fascinated by them. And my freshman year in, in, in high school, another guy in my homeroom, John Burling, was very interested in snakes and reptiles. Okay. And we started talking. And then there was even a mini course at school that, that year that he taught. And we formed the Northern Indiana Herpetological Society. Okay. It sounds pretty fancy. And he actually got connected with a well-known herpetologist at the University of Notre Dame.
