I got there in April of 86 and we got married in March of 88. But before we had children, Tracy and I would give all the zookeepers, all the staff Christmas off and we would take care of the animals. She was the head zookeeper and she told me how to prepare food and whatever. So we took care of all the animals on Christmas so all the staff could have Christmas off. So I can remember taking a sledgehammer and tearing down old horrible facilities and, and doing things. I was very much a hands-on guy for my first several years. And I still liked being able. As a matter of fact, even after I retired, I went and volunteered putting up holiday lights for the big zoo lights event for, that was the biggest fundraiser a year at, for the zoo.
