And he enjoyed sitting at our company and he knew the scientific names as well as we did. He was very proud of that. And so I kind of got to know him first at that level where we could just sit and chat. But it was always like, oh, Mr. Break’s coming, you know, type of thing. He, he was a pretty strict guy, bill Breaker. So, you know, he had to make sure everything was in line. And he met weekly with a curatorial staff.
