Not formally. I, I often worked with the curator, Roger, and he and I would exchange ideas. We both had biology degrees, we both were home hobbyists. Nobody outside the she Aquarium at that time. ’cause I was just because coming into my own, I’m trying to think, I think the first annual meeting I attended was, I wanna say it was 1982, it was in New Orleans, whatever year that was. And I was like, oh my gosh, this is a whole level bigger than what I’m used to and all these people that I heard about, you know, and now I’m getting to meet them and work with them. And it was kind of like, I gotta share a bit overwhelming. At first I thought, oh my gosh, I gotta really up my game here. You know, you got some people that are pretty sharp here and know a lot more than I do.