Those, those were all things that were part of his experience. So you could, you could kind of dispense with a lot of the more remedial parts of things that you would, you know, if I, if I was explaining the risk rewards equation to a keeper or a curator, somebody that didn’t have the veterinary experience, you could, you could skip past a lot of that stuff talking with a veterinarian. So, so yeah, it was good in that way. And, and, and Dr. Fisher wasn’t so much, he didn’t limit you in terms of, you know, I’d, I’d like to buy this EKG machine because, you know, it will offer us A, B and C. You didn’t get well back in my day. We got along without you. We just put a stethoscope. You didn’t get that. He understood what was needed to move things forward, you know, so you didn’t have to, it was like, I, I heard a, a, a veterinarian one time in a lecture say, we should endeavor in our careers to practice 40 years of veterinary medicine, not the same year 40 times. And you know, Lester wasn’t one of those, he, he was one that knew there were advances that should occur at each step and, and was supportive of those.