Well, the director that was there throughout almost all of my dozen year tenure at Lincoln Park was Dr. Les Fisher. And Les was also a veterinarian. He started out as the part-time consulting veterinarian at Lincoln Park Zoo in the late forties. And somebody with a lot of, a lot of experience who, and moved up into the director position and had been the director there for some time when I got there in 79. And, and was a very good mentor, good to work for. And he had a veterinarian’s perspective, so, so I could rely on him, not just as the boss and the director of the zoo, but he, you know, had insight into some of the, the challenges of zoo animal medical practice.