It, it started a, a, a group looking at Gorilla Health and then one of the, one of the other veterinary advisors who was particularly interested in that topic, right from the get go, Dr. Haley Murphy, who’s currently the director at Detroit, Haley, put together a grant to look at this issue, but not just in gorillas in other great ape species as well, because we, we put on, we put on seminars and symposiums, and we got together with colleagues and, you know, we had recognized this thing as a particular problems in gorillas. And the folks that dealt with orangs said, yeah, we see that too. And the folks that dealt with chimps said, yeah, we see that quite a bit and Bonobos. And so, you know, it grew from my interest in, in sort of one lane focus on gorillas into recognizing that at a, as a bigger problem. And Dr. Haley has just taken that and run with it. She started the, got a grant from the Institute of Museum and Library Services to start the Grade A Park project. It started with hiring a database manager who is still with the program. And there have now, you know, fast forward, I was just at a grad, a heart project meeting few months ago, and, and there are well over a thousand echocardiograms from great Apes.
