And so he asked us all to come on board. He asked me to run to, to chair the search committee simply because I was really close, I could come out and communicate much more easily than the, the folks that were widely scattered. So through that process, I, I got to come out and, and work with Dr. Rab and basically say, here’s the problem you have, here’s why you have the problem. Here’s, here’s kind of how you’ve developed this reputation. And it was something that would’ve been, it, it, it would’ve been challenging to have that free conversation if he was my boss, but he wasn’t my boss. I worked at the zoo across town. And so I, I got to, I was in this sort of unique situation compared to all of the curators and the former vets is that I had, I had gotten to know Dr.
