It, yes, Dr. George Rab was the director and I at the way things were set up at that time. I directly s reported to Dr. Rab and the, Dr. Rab was an amazing director and conservationist, but he was a super interesting personality and he could be kind of, he, he could be really challenging for people that hadn’t, hadn’t met him before. I heard stories of people doing job interviews and never actually seeing his face because he spent the entire time looking at papers and they, they looking at the top of his head. I had a very different experience because sometime before that, well, for, for a number of years I had routinely come out to Brookfield and taken part in veterinary procedures when they were doing something big here, mobilizing a bunch of big cats, doing immobilizing, all of the baboons on Baboon Island in one day. They would routinely, or, or doing elephant anesthesias, which I had experience with. I would get invited out to participate in that.
