Just I don’t want to back up just a second and say, explain the relationship now, when the District of Columbia was out of the picture between the Smithsonian and the National Zoo, give me the big picture of how they’re involved with each other. Well, okay. Leonard Carmichael was the secretary of Smithsonian when Ted Reed took over as director or acting director. The interest in the zoo from the standpoint of the Smithsonian was not very good. And I think Walker probably kept it that way ’cause I don’t think he wanted to be involved with Smithsonian and have the interference of the Smithsonian, but the zoo suffered dramatically because of that. When we took over, when Ripley was hired, it was a totally different situation. The response from Downtown under Ripley was extremely positive. I mean, Reed worked very well with Ripley, with David Challoner, who was assistant secretary for science.
