So like Gould was taking a huge hit to get to go out. So it was Horsley, Dale Marceline was the other one because they hadn’t been there that long. It was a disaster, an absolute disaster. And I’ll say to this day, the zoo never recovered from the loss of that curatorial crucifixion, if you wanna call it that. But I mean, it just 200 and some years of experience went out the door. And I mean, when it went out the door, it went out the door just like that. So, I mean, these guys never had a chance to train the people that they had working under them. I mean, it was just, they were gone, and I don’t think it bothered Mike at all.
