I didn’t really have that much contact because he never really came into the zoo. I think the last time I saw Dr. Mann was right after he retired and he retired, I think, I wanna say, four months after I started. And they brought him down about, I don’t know, six, seven months after he’d retired, he was in a wheelchair right in front of the Reptile House and I said, hello to him then, but I still had contact with Walker and kept contact with Walker because when he retired, he started to write his book “Mammals of the World” and he was working up in the top of the Reptile House. So we would kind of work with him to help him take photographs and whatever.
