Because they’re not interested really in dealing with the living collection, they’re more interested, I mean, if you want them to write papers, that’s great, but you can’t have them in a situation where they’re more concerned with getting a paper written than they are in dealing with the issues that come up on a daily basis with the collection and with the staff that they’re working with. And I think that’s one of the problems. I don’t see any reason in the world why the National Zoo has to hire curatorial staff only if they have a PhD, that’s the criteria. And we fought that for a long time.