I think the problem is that they come in ’cause it sounds like a pretty good job. And curatorial pay is getting better all the time, but I don’t think they have, I mean, unless they’ve come out of the keeper ranks and they’ve actually worked with the collections and the understand the ins and outs of keeping a living collection, if they’re coming out of a college or a research facility or something like that, and they come into the zoo profession, they really don’t know what it takes to run a living collection like that. And they don’t know how to deal with the staff and they don’t know how to deal with getting exhibits built and getting the right species in for exhibit. And I remember I was at a conference, it might’ve been Chicago and I was sitting at the bar and these two guys were sitting down from me and all they were talking about was dealing with the coefficients in this species and that species and how many animals that they could hold in the collection and where they were gonna and I’m looking at, and I’m thinking, “That’s what they’re talking about, and it’s all based on computer work.” And I found that the more complex the zoos got, the more paperwork was being shoved on the shoulders of the management to the point where you had so much junk coming in that you had to respond to one way or another, that you really didn’t have time to get out and deal with the collection and deal with your staff. Hell at National, they were spending, well, I was spending probably 50% of my time in meetings. And we would just talking about just inane stuff, I mean, it was mostly administrative stuff.