It was true because if I can degress in the history for a moment when Reed was director, he had Ripley as secretary. So everything meshed, I mean, you had a really dynamic director, you had a really dynamic secretary of the Smithsonian and they complimented each other and the zoo grew, and it grew, and it grew. When Reed left, things started to go downhill. Not only because we had basically an effective director, but the two secretaries of Smithsonian that came in after Ripley retired were totally inept. One was absolutely inept. I mean, I can remember sitting in meetings with him when we’re talking about the master plan, he’s asleep. I mean, he had absolutely no interest in the zoo, none. And the budget started to show that.
