So we just started playing around with figures and we came up with whatever that thing was, a 14 foot height on the walls and 20 feet from across the moat. We had this shoe celebration to open Monkey Island and Ripley was there. And the assistant secretary for science was there and Reed was there. And we let these Barbary apes out and I’m standing there next to the architects and I’m looking at this male and he’s walking around and he’s looking up and he’s looking up, and I thought, “God, don’t try to jump.” And he jumped, he came that close to the top of the wall and he dropped back down and I mean, it was just like, oh, my God, he never tried it again. That was it, he tried it that one time. And then we put hot wires up. I mean, I never expected to have to put hot wires up on a 14 foot wall, but anyway, and we only had one other Barbary ape get it, actually it wasn’t a Barbary, it was a Celebes youngster that jumped from the top of the rock across the moat and landed in a baby carriage with the baby in it, and then jumped out and took off. But I mean, the other thing that I was really proud of was the fact that the Small Mammal Building was a joint effort on the part of the curatorial staff, myself, and the keepers, and not just keepers that worked in Small Mammals, but it was keepers that would come down from other areas and volunteer to take on a single exhibit and design it.
