And I went to Maryland and again at night and it turned out, I was in my third year at Maryland and the courses I needed, I couldn’t get at night, I’d get during the day. And I tried it and it just wasn’t working. I mean, this was actually by that time, this was in the mid ‘6Os. So I never got my degree from the University of Maryland. And as I went forward with my career with the National Zoo, I finally realized, look, it’s probably a good thing if finished my degree, but right now, I didn’t need it and I didn’t think it was worth it that to take the time. But both Grimmer and Reed really pushed me. And I always have told you to Block, I said, “We’re both really, really lucky. We both came into the National Zoo at the right time with the right people.
