I initiated it, yeah. And we went down and we spent two weeks in Florida collecting, we brought back a huge collection of herps and a lot of them, we sent to other zoos. And it was really the first time anybody, I think in the zoo, especially the keepers and curators had actually gone on a collecting trip. I mean, they done it in the ’20s and ’30s, but I don’t think anybody had ever gone out like that. And then I did it again in the late ’80s when I went to Borneo to collect small mammals and I did that twice. And again, nobody had done that. Now the Bird Department had gone out. I think at times they went to New Guinea and collected there.
