Yes it not only helped me with my professional growth with the National Zoo, but it also got me into being able to talk to other directors at other zoos. I mean, I talked to Conway, went out to Denver, talked to Fry Height, and we had sent Oranga out there. So sent me to the Sonora Desert Museum. And I mean, I can’t get into all the zoos that he sent me to, but he sent other curators and myself over to Europe. And again, same thing, go over there and come back with some ideas. And I tell you, we did it with keepers. And it was really an effort that paid off in spades because we come back after seeing some of these exhibits and we’d be really, really steamed up about, “Wow, we can do that and we can do it better.” And we did. And it was a period for me where I learned a lot.