Yes, and I wanna expand on that too, because Ted was really into his ability to recognize the fact that the people that were working for him really needed to get out and see what was going on in the rest of the zoo world. And we were all sent to US zoos to see new exhibits, to talk to curators, talk to the directors. He sent me to the Wild Animal Park even before it was still being constructed. Where. And I actually went out there, I can’t remember who the director of San Diego that did that. Schroeder. Schroeder, right. Yes, and I went out and talked to him, got a lot of information on what his plans were.