And I had been after Ben to get me a grade raise and he wouldn’t give me a grade raise at, I mean, just would not do it. And I remember they had a major issue that happened in the graphics department, and the head of the graphics department left. And I remember I got a call from Robinson, he said, “Can you come over with my apartment tonight?” He said, “I wanna talk to you.” So I go over and he said, “Look, I really need you to take over the graphics department.” And I said, “Well, I don’t know that much about graphics, but what do you want me to do?” And he says, “I want you to go down there and run it at least for a year, if not longer.” And I said, “Okay, Mike, I’ll do it, but I want a grade raise.” And he said, “Okay, I’ll give you a grade raise.” I said, “But I don’t want it for that. I wanted to apply to the job that I’m holding right now in the animal operation.” And so he agreed and I had to get a number of letters of recommendation. I think one was actually from you Mark, and two other people. And I got the raise, Ben was upset, very, but it was a done deal. And from that point on I was able to, I was involved in everything at that point. I mean, even before Robinson took over, Reed had taken me as a major player in the redesign of the zoo, and this was in the mid ’70s.