When they hired the directors at the National Zoo, I worked under, I think seven directors or acting directors in the time I was there, Ted Reed was never appointed. He was appointed, he was never selected by a group of people that would go through a group of applications and select the best qualified, he was appointed. When Ted retired in ’64, excuse me, in ’84, I was on the selection committee to hire a new director. And we were at a point where we had a short list of three people. And Chris Wemmer was acting director at the time and all of us, I mean, all of us, even the people that weren’t on the selection committee, we all were absolutely sure that Chris was gonna get that job. I mean, he was highly qualified. I mean, he wanted the job. He had been acting for over a year.