But the expectation behind the scenes, certainly for us and others in the panda world, the western country, panda world, was that some of these animals should be, and from Mexico should actually be distributed. Particularly where again, I think there was a male left in Berlin, there was a male left in Madrid, no, a female in Madrid and a male, I think, in fact they were odd animals. And so if one of these zoos was breeding well then it made sense for them to send whatever was needed to these other institutions. But unfortunately, what then ha happened, I think at one point Mexico City had something like nine pandas, eight or nine pandas, most of them females and young ones do. And then our male died and several of the other animals, several of the other pandas died in pretty quick succession. So the author and we, we’d sort of gently and others had gently said some of the American zoo community saying, you know, you really ought to send one or two or three of these animals away. But then what happened was, politically, it was a good example of the zoo director in Mexico City at the time being totally controlled by the city mayor. So there they were with sitting on all these pandas and of course other Mexican zoos wanted these pandas for no, no good, you know, certainly no good conservation breeding reasons.
