And there were still bomb sites everywhere. The cathedral stood isolated, literally in a sea of bomb sites. It was a pretty dramatic sort of place for a young person to be made. One very homesick because I wanted to be out in the green fields, 40 miles to the north. But the bomb sites were actually great wildlife venues. So we as choir boys for our exercise, ’cause there were no playing fields or anything in the middle of London would actually take walks onto the bomb sites to see the plants. And actually amazing bird life from Peregrine falcons down to Robins Reds, you know, all sorts of things. So that further reinforced the interest in things wild.