Because, because I’d got this degree in zoology halfway through the veterinary course, I, I actually was eligible for Fellowship, scientific Fellowship of the Zoological Society of London, which I immediately joined. And also I think, you know, through my teens, my interest was very much in Hoofstock. Still is, I mean that’s my sort of specialist area, if there’s anyone at all. So I was interested in antelopes and deer, particularly from a fair, a fairly early age. So when I went to Whipsnade, I, I actually knew quite a bit about the bi, not so much the management of them, but certainly the, the biology of them. And I, I think that’s one of the reasons why Victor Anton and I hit it off so well to begin with.