I know this is a bit of a cliche, but I think a, a new generation, a younger or two, two generations under one a generation that’s now young parents and a teenage generation, folks that are now in that sort of age group that are much more interested in things environmental, by that I mean not not just species and species protection, loss of diversity and so on, but also much broader interest and understanding in, in the bigger changes that are happening. Obviously climate change being, being the major one right now and, and the whole question around energy production, marine issues that nobody really thought much about 20 years ago. So, so young people have a much, much more interest and concern about what they as adults are going to find. And that, and that obviously involves the things that we are most interested in the zoo world, which are our animal charges. That’s what, that’s one thing. I think the many of the institutions that are and have been for a long time involved in conservation are much more effective than they used to be in their political handling. They’re, and they’re up against, I mean, I, just to give you an example, I’m on the board, I chaired it for a while of Environmental Defense Fund. The Regional Environmental Defense Fund is based up here in the northeast, but it’s, it has regional offices, which I chaired the board of more or less for the southeast region.
