And so one had different, different leadership, some of whom wanted to get too involved. So trying to get that balance where you have to sort of, you have to have a good relationship with that form of governance, but you don’t want, particularly if they’re not knowledgeable on the subject, which many of them were not of, of a sort of level of interference, which was, which actually put the institution back rather than trying to move it forward. So you, you’re never going to get rid of political influence, whether that be from a board or from, you know, some form of local or local or state or even national government. But, and, and again, it comes back to how do you, how can you form a relationship with those people and, and how you can deal with that relationship as it changes with different people. That’s quite a challenge.
