And very often what I’ve found, some of those younger folks initially don’t want to be until you start giving them or training them in ways that they build up a, a much broader ability to manage not just animal, the animal management is relatively simple. It’s the human management, not only of the staff that they’re responsible for, but also for the, the folks around them maybe outside the institution that have some influence are gonna have some influence on the way they work. And then it becomes even more intense if, if you are looking for people who are gonna make good zoo directors. ’cause I found more and more over and I right now I’m not sure the situation is any different that curators, a lot of curators don’t want to become zoo directors because they’re very happy with where they are. They want to stay in the animal management. They do not necessarily want to take on the human responsibilities. I always, I was 15 years as as a zoo vet and then sort of was asked to take on additional responsibility, which then involved running London and Whipsnade zoos. And I remember several jokingly say to people now, you know, I was 15 years in a, in a, in a profession, the veterinary profession, which I really enjoyed working with animals.
