It’s always friendly, always welcoming. I think any, any group within the animal world, I, I found that with veterinarians, with zookeepers, with zoo directors because there’s a commonality of interest and, and often a commonality of humor and of, and sort of life experiences. I’ve always found my colleagues in the zoo world to be always to be very engaging and very, very warming. It’s quite interesting, the way that’s changed. If you think over, over the 50 years that I’ve been in, in that, over 50 years in that world is when I started at London and Whipsnade, it was a pretty competitive industry. So you had situations where the major zoo directors around Europe were, yes, they were friendly when they came together for their annual meeting or whatever, and, and indeed, you know, on individual visits, but behind the scenes they were very competitive. So there was, you know, if you had a gorilla or group of gorillas, boy that was not going anywhere else. And now, you know, there was a, there was a lot of that sort of competition 40 years ago that began to change because they knew it had to change because many of these other than group management of these feature gorillas were a very good example at the time.
