It was the first full-time veterinary job that, that Whipsnade was, was putting together. There were only six full-Time Zoo vets in the whole of Western Europe at that time. We’re talking about late 68 now, six, yeah, late 1968. And what I did, which I always advise these youngsters and their parents to do, was take the plunge and go find the curator at Whipsnade who happened to be on duty one Saturday afternoon when my wife Janet, who was engaged, we were engaged at the time, let’s go to Waid and see if we can find the curator and pin him down to an hour’s chat, which we did. And we were lucky that he was there. And although I think over 50 people applied for that job, all of them pretty well, all of them, as far as I know, qualified vets already, you know, long outta college because I actually, I did in the end get a zoology degree. I broke off from the veterinary course halfway through, took an extra 18 months and, and did get a zoology degree and went back to the veterinary course. But because of that and my knowledge of whips made, fortuitously, we created a very good bond even even with that afternoon with him.