And that’s how that all happened. But it was very much, very much through the zoo world, knowing, knowing well what was going on in the, you know, with the debate in London and, and some of my colleagues, people like John Knowles in, in the UK saying, you, you saying, you know, you you, you’d be better off outta all this, all this nonsense. And, and immediately I went, you know, went and did my long weekend of discovery at North Carolina. You you, the what what was great about it was a new, and it was only 18 years old at the time. This, you know, the zoo was only 18 years old. Fabulous site, big site, young staff, very keen, no historical baggage, which of course I was dealing with 150 years of it in London, no historical baggage.
