And that department is, is actually the basis, it’s the foundation of the great work that ZSL all over the world is now doing today. But with, but with a lot more support Now you have another promotion called General Director of Zoo. That’s what the CEO position was. Yeah. And, and that is, the position lasted a year. And then ultimately, which we’ll discuss, you move from that position at the London Zoo or the Zoological Society of London to the North Carolina Zoo. You may have already discussed this, but the reason you left London or had, would entertain other opportunities was because, Well, it, it had a lot to do with a number of my American Zoo colleagues is what, because when all this was going on at London debate about London’s London’s future, you know, how it would be funded, what ZSL should be doing in the conservation. All of that was fairly well known by, you know, by many of my friends who you know very well, a lot of them who, you know, when I was attending ZA conferences or coming over to a ZA conferences, that the whole situation over the London Zoo debate was well known by them. And so what happened was when the North Carolina Zoo was looking for a new director, one of the, bill Conway was one of those, and George, I think George Rab was too, actually said to, there was a Secretary of Environment at the time in North Carolina who, and they put what, what happened, they, they’d put, as happened so often, they’d put the recruitment process out to a commercial agency.
