And sadly what happened was that there were a lot of loud voices within the scientific fellowship who, for their own agendas, some of, some of the leadership actually were people who had applied for jobs at London Zoo and were turned down for very good, for very good and in any competitive situation for a job. But they actually had been turned down and were very resentful of that. So you had a group of people like that plus the zoo, the, you know, the, well-meaning zoo buffs who didn’t want anything to change at Regents Park. And were much more interested in having a row of 20 species of owls and 20 species of parrots and what, you know, just lit and literally in, in pretty small cages. And were not in the least bit interested in, in the, in the word welfare or, or anything that would move the, the bigger animals out to whips as far as they were concerned. Whipsnade was out there somewhere. They were interested in the London Zoo and all of this came together in about, yeah, about 87, 88 when I, I, in my view, a very weak board listened too much to this group of scientific fellows who, to put it rather rudely, couldn’t run a piss up in a brewery, had no management experience whatsoever doing anything. Many, many of them were sort of junior academics, but who wanted to see the status quo retained and were not in the least bit interested about, you know, in, in, in the sort of where we should be going today, 1987 today with the zoo world.
