And I was very much of the opinion that we should create a specialist largely undercover, all weather, mostly small animal collection at London and focus attention for the large mammals on whip snow. ’cause at that time it was very easy to get to. Whip still is, it’s only about an hour’s drive except when you’re in the London Russia. And so I had rather strong views and they were welfare, largely welfare. And they were practical based as well, that we should think very carefully about the future of both sues and put investment. There was a lot of, lot of reluctance to put any investment in whips. In fact, nearly all the investment in new exhibits at that time, new Vincent Housing came from the money that I was earning in the Middle East. So the, the the what what I’d founded at that time was what we called the con the Conservation, conserv Consultancy and Conservation Division.
