Well, very, very familiar with, with Whipsnade, particularly because the little village Cheney’s that I mentioned, where I grew up just north of London, was only 20 miles maybe from Whipsnade. So visits to Whipsnade on a more or less a couple of times a year were common. So I knew, I knew Whipsnade very well to some extent London Zoo, but didn’t really have, you know, the other big zoos that actually a lot of the zoos in Britain that are there now, the smaller zoos were not there in the 1950s. You only had, you had London whip sna, you had zoos like Chester, Bristol, Edinburgh, couple of which were quite young. Chester had only been going about 20 years before that. So I didn’t, I didn’t have a lot of access to zoos per se, but whipsnade rather interestingly. ’cause I had no idea the role it would play a bit later in life. But I knew, I knew Whipsnade and London to some extent.
