Well, I didn’t ask, actually. What happened was that Colin Rawlins, who had responsibility overall for the zoos and, and a lot of external activity that Zeiss l was, was involved in, really felt he was moving towards retirement and he felt that he really needed to pass the animal management over to somebody else. And so he, he encouraged me to take on as being as, as well as being senior veterinary officer, became responsible for every, all animal management aspects as as assistant director of zoos. And then when he retired and I became director of zoos, then taking over the human elements as well. So it really started out as being purely animal related management, but, but obviously as you know, that involves a lot of human management as well. But then ultimately as direct zoos took over, all human management connected with both zoos, You mentioned in 1987 the zoo needed to have a new direction.
