I mean, they weren’t, they were independent operations, but because, ’cause John and I had that had that sort of common interest, but then we ran, if you with something like Orx and, and Aax and so on, you want to build up numbers. So what we then did was we got, I think Edinburgh and Chester and Bristol and some of these other places to start taking some of the offspring. And that led to sort of more of a European approach, particularly to joint management of those species, of the, of Ungulate species. At that time cooperation in American zoos was getting a lot better too. And so the habit began to grow on European zoos. So a lot of what we did with that early common management of STO was part of that general movement towards, towards a much more cooperative approach to animal breeding that, that we have today. You now move from your position at London as the veterinarian to the assistant director of zoos. It’s from 82 to 84.
