Yeah, we were very fortunate at that time, we had not major unlimited things like people thought the Smithsonian just went down to the basement, the horn of plenty and money poured out, but I would have to justify them, with the laparoscope, that was a fairly major investment, and I got that at a roundabout way for diagnostic of TB, although David and I wanted to use it in the reproductive stuff, but with the TB problem and certain other things, and talking about the implications of the buildings, and how we’d have to manage the birds, and once we diagnosed the TB, we kind of came around it that way. And I got a lot of equipment donated, and we would, some of it wasn’t any good, but I got a zero radiograph machine, which was the precursor to the, basically the digital radiographs unit now that are everywhere. This was a very high-resolution radiograph machine that my colleagues from Hopkins, and the radiology department got me as a loan, and then the next year, they wanted to have me keep it, and the problem was a service contract on it for one year was $100,000, which was about three times my budget for the one unit, so we had to give that back, but … We were able to, sometimes, you know, when I have a colleague, a medical colleague and they would say, you know, “What do you need?”, and they’ve got some surplus equipment, then I made a very good contact with some biomedical engineers, who had access in the hospitals to fantastic equipment, they’d get a new set of monitors in, and they’d be throwing away 10 or 15 monitors that were still working that I could use, and anesthesia machines that were, you know, they changed the new gas anesthesia, and I was still using the one they were, so we’d get the vaporizers, so it was not just going getting new equipment every time, it was scavenging and being a little bit of a … Well being quite a bit of a scavenger to get what you needed. You’re recognized as a expert in a number of things, but certainly anesthesia, and working with remote delivery systems with animals.
