this was way before Robinson. He became Director at, he left National after a year, so he became Director somewhere around this area. Ugh, I guess that’s galloping Alzheimer’s is catching up, but he came around and I was very impressed with him, because first he came around, and set up his office, and everybody rushed to him, curators, everybody rushed to him. And I just sat back, I just kind of sat back, and just, I’m not gonna play that game, you know, I’d had a good relationship with Ted, we’d worked it out, and I didn’t have any burning problems that I needed to, and so I guess it was several weeks later, he called me and he said, “I wanna talk to you Nick.” He said, you know, you haven’t come and talked to me. And I said, “Well, that’s fine.” And so he asked me about five or six questions and man, he had it pegged where the problems were after that. And at that time they decided that Clint would probably be better off it in a more administrative thing, and for teaching in vet school. So they gave, freed him up, and gave him the flexibility to travel to vet schools, and share his information, and things like that. And then he did that, I don’t know the length of time, and then finally retired and then I became the Head of the department when Clint moved up to being the, you know, in this administration position, and I fought that, because I didn’t think, I didn’t wanna become the Head of the department.